<div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW11380423 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW11380423 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">In this episode,</span> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">we talk</span> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">with</span></span> <a class="Hyperlink SCXW11380423 BCX0" href= "https://www.kellycervantes.com/about" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-ccp-charstyle="Hyperlink">Kelly</span></a> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">and</span> <a class= "Hyperlink SCXW11380423 BCX0" href= "https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1321706/" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-ccp-charstyle="Hyperlink">Miguel Cervantes</span></a> <span class="TextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">about their daughter Adelaide, who lived with epilepsy and complex medical needs</span><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">.</span> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">Kelly and Miguel share what it was like to parent a child who</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">couldn't</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">speak or move but who still made her preferences known</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">– including</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">smacking her brother when she was done playing and</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">loving anything by</span> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">Frank Sinatra. They talk about the very different roles they occupied during Adelaide's life: Kelly</span> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">as a full-time caregiver</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">who became fluent in her daughter's medical world, and Miguel, who moved in and out of that world while performing eight shows a week as Alexander Hamilton in Chicago.</span></span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":1,"335551620":1,"335559685":0,"335559737":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":279}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW11380423 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW11380423 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">We also talk about</span> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">grief that followed</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">when</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">Adelaide</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">died in 2019, just before her 4</span></span><span class= "NormalTextRun Superscript SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-fontsize= "12">th</span> <span class="TextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">birthday.</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">Kelly describes</span> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">the secondary loss of her identity as a</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun ContextualSpellingAndGrammarErrorV2Themed SCXW11380423 BCX0"> caregiver</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">and</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">Miguel talks about what it meant to step onto a stage each night and, at times, find his own</span> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">grief</span> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">story</span> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">overlapping</span> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">with Hamilton's. Both parents reflect on how differently they grieve — Kelly's grief as something that</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">pours out in what she calls "</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SpellingErrorV2Themed SCXW11380423 BCX0">werewolfing</span><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">,</span><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">" and Miguel's</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">as</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">private and internal — and how learning to recognize and</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">support</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">those differences became a turning point in their marriage. They close by talking about their son Jackson, and what</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">they've</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">learned about supporting a</span> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">child who</span> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">grieves on his own terms</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">.</span></span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":1,"335551620":1,"335559685":0,"335559737":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":279}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW11380423 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW11380423 BCX0"><strong><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">We discuss:</span></strong></p> <ul> <li class="Paragraph SCXW11380423 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">Adelaide — her personality, her humor, her love of Sinatra</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"335559738":0,"335559739":0}"> </span></li> <li class="Paragraph SCXW11380423 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">The </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">different roles</span> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">of parent and caregive</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">r</span></span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"335559738":0,"335559739":0}"> </span></li> <li class="Paragraph SCXW11380423 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">Miguel's experience moving between the hospital and the Hamilton stage</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"335559738":0,"335559739":0}"> </span></li> <li class="Paragraph SCXW11380423 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">"</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SpellingErrorV2Themed SCXW11380423 BCX0">Werewolfing</span><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">" — Kelly and Miguel's</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">very different</span> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">ways of grieving</span><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">, and how they learned to support each</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">other in</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">those</span></span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":1,"335551620":1,"335559685":720,"335559737":0,"335559738":0,"335559739":0,"335559740":279,"335559991":360}"> </span></li> <li class="Paragraph SCXW11380423 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">Secondary losses: grieving an identity, a routine, a sense of purpose, alongside grieving Adelaide</span></li> <li class="Paragraph SCXW11380423 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">Finding meaning through advocacy, writing, and music in Adelaide's honor</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"335559738":0,"335559739":0}"> </span></li> <li class="Paragraph SCXW11380423 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">Parenting their son Jackson through his own grief, and learning he needed support that </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">didn't</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">come from them</span></span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"335559738":0,"335559739":0}"> </span></li> </ul> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW11380423 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW11380423 BCX0"><strong><span class= "TextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">About Kelly</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">and Miguel Cervantes:</span></span></strong><span class= "LineBreakBlob BlobObject DragDrop SCXW11380423 BCX0"><strong><span class="SCXW11380423 BCX0"> </span></strong><br class="SCXW11380423 BCX0" /> </span><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">Kelly Cervantes is a writer and advocate whose books include</span> <a class="Hyperlink SCXW11380423 BCX0" href= "https://normalbroken.com/" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-ccp-charstyle="Hyperlink">Normal Broken</span></a> <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">and</span> <a class= "Hyperlink SCXW11380423 BCX0" href= "https://www.kellycervantes.com/theluckiest" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-ccp-charstyle="Hyperlink">The Luckiest</span></a><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">. She serves on the boards of CURE Epilepsy and the Undiagnosed Diseases Network Foundation. <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mig.cervantes/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Miguel Cervantes</a> is an actor and singer known for originating the title role in the Chicago production of</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">Hamilton</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">. </span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW11380423 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW11380423 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">Kelly and Miguel will be joining Dougy Center in Portland, Oregon, on October 27</span><span class= "NormalTextRun Superscript SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-fontsize= "12">th</span><span class="TextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">,</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">2026,</span> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">for our Focus on Hope luncheon. Visit</span></span> <a class="Hyperlink SCXW11380423 BCX0" href= "https://www.dougy.org/events/focus-on-hope-2026" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span class= "TextRun Underlined SCXW11380423 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-ccp-charstyle= "Hyperlink">dougy.org</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0" data-ccp-charstyle= "Hyperlink">/hope</span></span></a> <span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW11380423 BCX0">for details.</span></p> </div>